On Thursday, Return of Kings published my article highlighting five serious problems with the Alt Right movement.
The article must’ve struck a chord because there has been an overwhelming number of comments (over 650 as I write this post). But the feedback was not just limited to the comments section on ROK. The TRS Forum also carried a thread dedicated to the article.
In the article, I identified five areas that are weaknesses of the Alt Right movement:
- Lack of organization means that it coordinate political activity.
- Lack of coherent plan for achieving its goals.
- Many in the Alt Right desire a virtually all-white state, but minimize the fact that at least half of white people are left-wingers.
- The well-funded establishment on the pseudo-right and left are hell bent to crush the Alt Right.
- Infighting and purging of allies can unnecessarily weaken the movement.
My purpose in writing the article was to stimulate discussion, so I am pleased that it generated so much. Below are some of the comments that exemplified broad themes and my responses.
Many on the Alt Right do not like Roosh
One thing that I did not anticipate is that some people viewed my article as an opportunity to criticize Roosh. I was surprised by this because all the thoughts in the article were my own. But these comments were not directed at the contents of the article as much as they were at Roosh’s ethnicity:
MOONMAN TRIPLE K called Roosh a “sand ape.”
The fuck is this, a divide and conquer article if i ever seen it, just because we don’t want a sand ape like roosh fantasizing white rape, we are somehow divided…
While most of the commenters who oppose Roosh did so because of he is non-European, others oppose him because of his PUA past:
My response: If someone is convinced that Persians are just another variety of Middle Eastern barbarian, I doubt that it would be worth it to try to argue about it. A bigger concern is that people are rejecting Roosh’s ideas without actually reading what he has written.
For example, Roosh recently published an article on ROK with bits of wisdom from Islamic civilization. ROK does this all the time. I’ve seen articles distilling wisdom from the Bible, Classical civilizations, Ancient China and Japan, and pre-Christian Europe. But for some reason, people on Twitter accused Roosh of being a crypto-Muslim and using ROK to convert men to Islam.
If you really wanted to accuse Roosh of anything, it would be that he is trying to convert men to Christianity. After all, he hired me and I definitely have an undercurrent of Catholicism in some of my articles. Even worse, he hired a Catholic monk as a regular columnist to teach readers about spirituality and prayer.
Moreover, it is also clear that Roosh has moved on from his PUA past. His reorientation of ROK from a site with PUA-type articles to Neomasculinity has probably resulted in a decrease in income, at least in the short term, as there are more men who want to learn how to get laid than there are men who want to improve themselves and fix society.
Roosh’s most recent writings reveal that he has been thinking deeply about how to rebuild Western Civilization and he is taking concrete steps to do it. He’s written a lot about the subversion of the West, and even about the elite plans to destroy/weaken white people—and he has done on websites with huge traffic. Purging Roosh would be like purging one of your best generals.
Does the Alt Right seek an all-white state?
In my article, I wrote: “the biggest unifying principle in the alt right is the desire for an all white state.” After reviewing the comments, it is clear that my statement was too broad. I should have said that some in the Alt Right want an all-white state. For example, the comment that received the most up votes on ROK came from David Flory.
I do not think that alt-right is unified by desire for an all-white state. Most of us would probably be well pleased with a solid white majority and an elite and government in which our interests are well-represented. Our enemies are so openly hostile to us now that we are unified simply by opposition. We should not fall into infighting over long-term goals at this point.
Trump is appealing because he represents an American nationalism that is unquestionably culturally and majority white (and Christian), but is tolerant and accepting of non-whites who are willing to assimilate to it.
Commenter Driver added that is not so much an all-white state that is desired as the right for whites to be proud of their heritage. He added that men of all races have been marginalized in the current political discourse:
When was the last time you heard any politician talk about issues or needs important to white men (or men in general for that matter)?
While I believe most ROK readers agreed with the sentiment, some people in the Alt Right believe the movement is synonymous with White Nationalism:
Some commenters make whiteness trump everything. When commenter Ivan Herrera asked: ” is a white Muslim from Bosnia or Chechnya better than a brown Colombian Christian?” Commenter 5n4k33y35 responded:
Yes. Absolutely. Only jews want brown Christians rather than white Muslims.
My response: Allowing whites to be proud of their heritage, and to form their own communities is something that unites the Alt Right. But there is some division between those who want an all-white nation and those who see the possibility of coexistence with other racial groups.
As I mentioned in my article, I view the desire for an all-white state in the US as being utopian. Not only would it be difficult to achieve (secession, civil war, or societal collapse would be required) but it would also take many years to get there.
A better approach would be to acknowledge that the US is already racially diverse and work together to enable different groups to naturally form their own communities and schools without government enforced diversity. Although this approach would require changes to legislation, it would not require a revolution.
I also believe that in certain cases, ideology or religion takes precedence over race. Just ask the people of Boston who lost loved ones or limbs to the “white” Tsarnaev brothers whether they think Muslims from Chechnya are a better bet than Christians from Columbia.
The Alt Right views lack of organization as a strength
In my article I mentioned that lack of organization and lack of a coherent plan was a weakness of the Alt Right. After all, without planning and organization, it is difficult to achieve one’s goals. But the folks on the Alt Right disagreed. They feel that the lack of organization is a strength.
Back in November, Alt Right Twitter account @uncucktheright tweeted that only thing that is happening now is evangelism—winning hearts and minds:
A commenter at ROK, Montgomery Draxel agreed. He wrote:
This kind of movement is impossible to lead (rightfully so), and attracts all kinds of characters. It’s about trolling the establishment to get them to honestly discuss the collapse of western civilization at the hands of modern (((elites))).
Other commenters characterized the Alt Right as a “think tank” where ideas can be shared and new ones are generated.
My Response: I agree with the commenters that the Alt Right is indeed changing minds and the Alt Right is also a fertile bed for new ideas.
While this is all true, my criticism remains. As @uncucktheright states, the timeline for change is 10 to 20 years. I believe that with organization, faster progress is possible.
The Alt Right believes the Establishment will fail to crush the movement
The commenters felt that the establishment would not be able to crush the Alt Right because the movement is too defuse to define. They felt the Alt Right could continue wage asymmetric warfare against the establishment using memes.
Judging by what recently happened to National Review, the Alt Righters might be correct.
After I wrote the article on the weaknesses of the Alt Right, National Review dedicated an entire issue to attacking the GOP frontrunner, Donald Trump. The effectiveness of National Review’s move remains to be seen, but the early feeling is that NR damaged themselves, not Trump.
Old-time conservative Phyllis Schlafly went so far as to predict NR’s demise within a year. Let’s hope she’s right.
The Alt Right is a movement (phenomenon?) that is in a state of flux. There is definitely a tension between those who want to create an all white state (and perhaps even a pecking order among whites), and those who just want to stop insanely high levels of immigration, preserve their ethnic heritage, and live without constant government social engineering. Judging by the looks of it, the former group may be gaining the upper hand.